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The Gagged Podcast on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Let’s start with the podcast. Tell me

about that. Yeah, so the Gagged Podcast started from me and Leah Hayes. We’ve been friends

for a while and wanted to create a platform that we could sit and talk and

actually share personalities and talk with other industry people so that they could see a different side of us outside

of us just being sexual on camera. So, we thought that would be a really fun way to express ourselves and started

that about a year ago. So, we wrapped up season one um are in the process of

working on season two, but the premise of it is to talk about sex, life,

dating, being trans, being in the industry, what that’s like for us and

other performers. 50 questions there, but where can people find us?

Um YouTube, Apple Music or Apple Podcast, Spotify. Yeah. All under the

gag podcast. When you started it, were there specific bullet points you wanted to make sure and get across? Like maybe

every episode or does every episode have a specific topic? Every episode can be different if it’s a

guest episode. Obviously, it’s more centered about them and their experiences. Um, and that can differ

based on what the guest wants to focus on, whether that’s career or their personal life. Um, and then for Leah and

I, we kind of alternate between crazy personal sex stories or relationship

stories we’ve had and kind of trans

um I don’t know if rights is the right is like the proper word, but what it’s

like being a trans person in society today, whether uh that could be like

rights or socially. So, we kind of alternate between those topics. Yeah.

And I’m sorry to interrupt you. I know you’ve done a bunch of other podcasts. From doing all of those,

was there anything specific you maybe took away from a couple that like I love the way they do this, so I’m maybe going

to steal it, if you want. Steal is the right word orally borrow. Yeah. Um,

I mean, I think that all podcasts can kind of have like a similar form. So, it’s just the kind of like recreating

something that’s already existed, just more customized to you. Um,

but I think that we took reference from a couple like big podcasts, but not

anything that we had been a part of, more just viewers of and liked how like raw and real and comfortable their

podcasts were. Um, that’s I think kind of like we took reference from. Yeah.

And how many episodes are in the first season and all that? I believe the first season has I want to

say 15 if I’m not mistaken. 15 and about five or six of them are

solo episodes and then the rest are guest episodes. Was there a favorite from the first season?

Um there’s a few really good ones. I personally like really love our solo

episodes because we’re very candid and very comfortable. So sometimes I think we can have a tendency to overshare and

then I look back and I’m like, “Oh my gosh, I can’t believe I said that.” Um, guestwise, it was really amazing to have

Emma Rose on cuz she’s just such an icon in the industry in general. Um, our really close friend Victoria Grant, that

was really fun cuz we’re all super comfortable together. Um, I mean among many more like Britney Cade and Angelica

Good, that was amazing. and KCK. There’s just so many. So, was there someone that you had on that I

guess maybe surprised you? Maybe you you came in expecting one thing and then it was like, “Wow, that was really cool.”

Um, I would say,

oh my gosh, let’s see.

Um, I don’t know. I feel like a lot of them I’ve personally known, so I kind of like

went into it kind of knowing what to expect. Um, I would say Danny Daniels was a

really interesting one. We’ve been pretty close for a while, but it was really nice cuz she doesn’t really speak

publicly on different platforms or her own social media. So, I think seeing her still be

so like raw and real and authentic to herself and her views that may not align with a lot of other people’s like that

was cool and it was nice to not see her like waiver just because a camera was in front of her face. Is it easier for you

when you have that much of a relationship with people or is there sometimes the worry of you might put out

too much because I I think so a lot of celebrities and yes you are a celebrity

put too much information on social media. Yeah, I think that definitely

like could be a concern because I um

I think like there’s a balance with it and keeping certain things private is important. And then also I think it can

be a slippery slope because if you say so much and you do so much, you never really know what you said or when you said it. And so I think that like that

can become difficult over time, you know, because if there’s so far 15 episodes, that’s 15 hours of footage and

a lot of talking and you don’t remember everything you said. So I think that that can get you in trouble. It hasn’t

yet, so fingers crossed that that’s good. Um, but I definitely have had people, you know, be like, be aware and

just don’t overdo yourself. So, you still have something privately.

You have the problem that I have where you got a lot of very close relationships with people and sometimes you talk about stuff

and the business side of you wants to keep going, but the personal side of you is kind of like, I don’t know if she

really wants to talk about this. Yeah. I think like

I would never and I haven’t spoken about other people’s situations unless they’ve

been present. So I could see how that would become

like slippery when you’re in conversations with other people, you bring up references of other people’s experiences. Um

and then also like prior to if we are speaking about something publicly like doing like a little brief of like what

are you comfortable with, what are you not comfortable with has kind of helped when you know someone like closely. Um but still I mean being

a business person you want to like do the best you can to get the best views to get the best numbers and yeah best

performance. So I get that for sure for you. What is a good show? Is a good

show shocking? Is a good show revealing? Is a good show?

I think keeping like viewer retention and having people walk away from it

feeling like they got something from it. Whether that’s entertained, educated,

um they feel like the person or the the media they were intaking was relatable.

I think like that makes a good show because you can have something that’s extremely sentimental and emotional and

deep and then you can have something that’s shock value crazy stories that someone couldn’t believe and I think

both are equally as good but obviously one’s a little bit more clickbaity than the other. So there’s that. Yeah. you as

a person doing an interview like you are now and a business person do you find it difficult for you to

I’m guessing there’s a nor there’s a non-performer part of you and then there’s we’ll call it a character for

sake of discussion is it difficult for you to try and separate the two are you comfortable

just being yourself basically not being the other character I would say yeah I think it’s easy for

the lines to be blurred more So, like when I’m on set or I’m doing a video and

there’s a whole like production and a script behind it, it’s very much like that character. But when you’re sitting down talking like this, it’s a mix of

it’s a mix of both kind of I would say cuz you’re still like representing that

business that you’ve built while simultaneously being like genuine and true to yourself. I think it’s something

that I’m still learning and getting kind of comfortable with. So, yeah.

Um, do you feel authenticity is important to the success of your brand? 100%. Absolutely. I think that that’s

why so far I’ve built and have the career that I do have because when I started

it, it wasn’t like it wasn’t like a brand or it wasn’t as much of a

character. It was just like myself on film and then it kind of developed and you refine and you figure it out and

Yeah. But you you sound like you have a business background. Were you aware when

you got in the business that okay, I want to do this and I have to create this and then I got to do this?

Um, I’ve always I do not have a business background now.

I did not go to school for business. I think I just kind of

have learned as I’ve gone or talked to other people that have been in it longer and took bits and pieces from everyone

that made sense to me and kind of grew my own sort of like

like work ethic to it. Yeah. Prior to getting into business, had you

watched adult material? Yeah, of course. Absolutely. when you saw adult material thought ever crossed

your mind that I could do that. Um, yeah, for sure. I think I personally

always loved homemade adult material, so that was more so always like my interest, which I think a lot of people

view and think that they can do that and the majority of people I think could. Um, but yeah, it was always something I

was like fascinated by for sure. And uh you did OF first, correct? Only fans,

I’m sorry. Yeah. So I started Only Fans

I think almost four years ago now. Yeah. Four years ago. So I started that first

for two and a half years before I started even studio work.

And u when you started Only Fans, were you doing adult related work before

that or was that something you thought about always wanting to do? I mean, it was a good time.

Yeah, I was always like very sexual. I would say I was very sexual and hookup

culture and things of that nature. I would My experience as a whole were relatively vanilla.

Like I had never done group play or an orgy or

uh multiple different partners and stuff like that. Um, but I was always sexual

and started Only Fans with more implied nudity and solo

content and then it grew from there, but it was I’ve never had been an adult work

prior. I was always in sales and more corporate style stuff. So, it was a

different jump for sure. When you started Only Fans, was it for the attention or for the money?

Money, 100%. I think it was money and then the attention and validation felt

good. So the initial thing was I’m broke and I

need to like survive and I don’t know what my plan is going to be even though I had a full-time job at the time. And

then when you start to get attention I’m like oh wait this is so obviously

everyone has an ego like ego fulfilling and like that validation was rewarding.

you start creating content. You mentioned you like amateur type stuff which I do too. Did you consciously make material like

that or were you aware of like trying to do different types of material from watching it? No, it was it was very amateur because I

think especially when it came to bringing in other partners, the idea of

having sex with a camera there was uncomfortable and nerve-wracking regardless of how

much adult content you’ve consumed. You know, like consuming it and doing it is two

different things. And uh it definitely was just very amateur

cuz that’s just like what we were comfortable with at the time and before we all really knew about proper lighting

and how to really film and get the good angles and penetration and all of those things. Yeah.

So the uncomfortability then came from the not being familiar with the technical aspects.

Um, I think uncomfortability came with technical aspects of like how do we

properly set this up where it looks good. So, it’s just easier to set up a tripod or do POV and it kind of looks

sloppy and it’s homemade and everyone’s just like kind of in the moment trying to enjoy it while also do the best we

could. Um, and in addition to there was a little bit of, you know,

nervousness to it cuz it’s new and I think a lot of things in life can be nerve-wracking except you’re

naked on camera and getting sexually pleasured. So, you know, you’re not used

to being perceived that way. So, that can be like overwhelming.

And, um, I produce some shoot stuff for other people. Does your fan base have a preference to specific type? Because

some people like would literally tell you take the the footage out of the camera and just put it up instead of editing it. Some people like POV, some

people like Glam. Does your fan base have a specific Um, I would say it’s definitely a mix.

Like I have people that love a tripod set up in the corner with no

ring lights and people just going at it. They don’t get up close and personal views. And then I see a lot of people that

prefer a camera person and lighting. I think it’s a mix. In my mind, I think it’s really important to produce as much

organic, natural, homemade style content on your Only Fans as possible because

people that want to consume that highly produced glam content can if you do studio or collabs and group stuff, they

can consume that other ways. So having both for everybody I think is important.

Um but like what do you find for people that you shoot and produce for? Like Well, I apologize. Let me interrupt you.

Uh yeah, for me I like my poem to be explicit. I like it to be

when it’s I don’t like the word amateur. When it’s real. Okay. Yeah. It’s almost like a POV scene when your

eyes won’t lie if you’re shooting a POV. Yeah. You can tell when a person’s into it or when they’re not. Yes. To me, it’s kind of the same thing

when you shoot real. Yes. And I I I I’m looking for energy more

than I’m looking for anything else. Okay. You know, because if I’ve shot people

who hated each other, but they took that energy and put it together and it was amazing.

Oh, I believe that it was. And I’m not the kind of person if especially when it comes to shooting

or watching, if it’s happening and that energy is going Yeah. You don’t stop it because maybe

you can’t see the penetration. Keep it going. You let it go.

I went to film school. I understand the nuts and bolts of making a real movie. Right. And I used to live in California. When I

tried to apply it there, they looked at me like like, “What did you just like, are you crazy?”

Yeah. You know, we need 12 minutes of hard and seven minutes of soft. Totally cute. But um eventually in terms of

types of content, it also comes down to your personal brand. Every person is different

in that aspect. Some people would prefer to be all glammed up all the time. Yeah. I personally think, and you can tell me

if I’m wrong, on your only fan, do people come for your personality or watch you have sex?

Um, both I feel like, but I feel like the majority of it has been

like a personality I think plays a big part and and I think the style in which

you have sex, which kind of goes into what you’re saying because like there’s thousands of trans women they could

watch and there’s th there’s hundreds there are thousands of trans women that produce porn that are skin with big

boobs and dark hair like me, but like there’s a reason that that they come to mind. Yeah.

I also think too, I’m sorry. I think too if sometimes if you tone things down, it’s more memorable than if if if you’re

shooting for yourself or a company and

people know you’re not into it. To me, it affects your brand in the long run.

Yeah. Because then they question everything else that you do. It’s like, is is everything that they do genuine or

not? Yeah, for sure. Give me a a woman in my nice muscle t-shirt, curse shorts, sexy on

the bed, and be happy and doing her thing. I’m good. I’ll give you my 10 bucks a month. Yeah. Give me a glammed up thing, which I’ve

shot ridiculously pretty girl, but I’m an energy person. This girl, I’m so sorry. I’ll cut this

out, but this girl is so bored. Yeah. Shooting a low shot and you can see

she’s not even kind of just watch my camera fall off. Yeah. But it’s like, you don’t give a [ __ ] I

don’t give a [ __ ] Totally. Yeah. You know, it’s not my brand and I care. I don’t want to put my name on crap,

right? Absolutely. And beauty, we all get old. So, it’s going to go.

But to me, longevity is networking. Yeah. And your relationship with your fans and

all that, especially now because you have more control over your image than people used

to have. For sure. Yeah. I I think I I 100% agree

with that and I feel like that’s something that I’ve tried to

navigate like doing Just Only Fans and specifically the type of content that we were that I was doing and all of the friends

I had at the time was so like raw, real, like organic and in the way in which we

were filming it and the filming parties and stuff we were having were just kind of crazy and hectic. verse over time

dialing it in and producing some more like right glam style stuff even with only fans

obviously I’m picking my partners and like I’m into it but it’s more refined

and then getting into studio and then learning how they kind of do things

I’ve like kind of like reentered it and I’m like I want to kind of take it back to what it originally was cuz like

that’s why people were here and that’s why people liked it and not lose that over time where

everything is so um what’s the word I’m looking for? Like

refined, I guess I would say is like the best word. Yeah. And I also look for spontaneity.

Yeah. I’d rather have a good five minute scene than a bad loop to death 20-minute scene. I don’t know if you know what

looping is, but I do that. So, I’ll do my stills. We’ll block out

or block, whatever you want to call it, and then I just let you go. for you. Do you do custom work and stuff on your

oil? I do. Yes. Craziest request you got for a custom?

Um, craziest request was actually when I was right now they’re not anything too

crazy cuz I think people kind of understand more the style of stuff that I do. Um, but in the beginning it was

kind of like the wild west cuz people didn’t know like what I fully was into. But I got a request once to get a tarp

and go out into my yard and do like a scat style solo setup where

I’m pooping on a tarp naked in the middle of my yard. Um, that was probably the craziest. I

didn’t do it. Um, not because I have an issue with other people doing it or whatever judgment, but I just was like,

“This is a bit much for me and like not not something I’m comfortable with.” Um, and the fan was totally respectful and

like understanding and stayed for the other stuff I did. But you never know until you ask.

And was there something that a point in your life when you decided you wanted to do mainstream adult after doing OAF?

Yeah, I would say it was I felt like my OAF and everything I was

doing, I had really kind of had it like a welloiled machine. like I had really figured out like my

footing and how things were and and where I wanted that and I was like I’m just gonna try this

and see if I like it. I was like I’m gonna do it for a year and I live in Florida so it’s either

Vegas or LA so it’s pretty far. So when I’m out there see if I like it go for it and that year is now coming to

a close. This was like my previous year of giving studio a go. Yeah. How much

different was it from you from producing to going into a set? And I mean, you’re

at home, you put a tripod, you shoot. Totally. It was very different because if I’m

shooting with someone for Only Fans or Homemade or whatever platform you use, like

whether we know each other or don’t, it’s a little bit more hookup style, but it’s still sexy and it’s still fun. And

depending on the person, it doesn’t always take a very long time. You can get in, you can have your fun, and it’s hot and it’s sexy and it’s over. You

either hang out or they leave. And it was much much longer days. And it was

the scripts and like the pressure of hitting those marks and, you know, getting dressed up in a way that you

normally wouldn’t depending on the scene and the style of it. Um, it was getting

comfortable with playing whatever role you were like hired to do and not

you’re still I’m still Bella Joey, but I’m Bella Joey as a mil or I’m Bella Joey as a girl at a cookout or whatever.

So, it’s getting into that was definitely different for sure. It was nerve-wracking, but it

was enjoyable. I liked it. Do you have a preference of doing script or ad living when it comes to dialogue?

or I haven’t done a studio scene where it was ad living. So everything’s been very script based. For

my own produced stuff, ad libing is great cuz it’s more comfortable. You

don’t have like a team of people expecting something from you. But for studio, I think I would be more nervous

to ad lib than to know exactly what someone wants. Yeah. that

trans the niche trans has always been crazy popular has never really waned.

Why do you think that is? I think

over time even though it’s becoming, you know, numbers are still really climbing with it. I think because more people are

aware of it, but I think it’s always been kind of taboo. I think it’s always been something that men or women um are

like fascinated by. I think it’s something that

a lot of like genetic women that I know always say that they like to watch like lesbian or two women porn. Like that’s

kind of been their thing. But they’re like, “I love trans women cuz it’s like the best of both worlds.” The amount of times I’ve heard that in my life is like

crazy. But you have the femininity, you have the breasts, and then you have a

dick and it all kind of plays together. Um, I think it’s just taboo fascination

and and Yeah, for sure. And, uh, prior to getting into the

business, you mentioned you watch adult material. What type of adult did you watch? Um, I primarily only watch gay or

gay adult material. It’s always been like my thing. I’ve always enjoyed it.

Um, and then every once in a while like group stuff like with a genetic woman in

there too is always like can be can be enjoyable, but I I’ve never watched two

women and I’ve never really watched just one guy and one girl. It’s either like group stuff or gay. Yeah.

But are you into women off camera? I’ve had experiences. Yeah. off camera

was I used to like be in the swinger world and that’s like kind of how Only Fans and stuff that’s a lot of people I

would film with and so we were at like a lot of swinger parties all the time and doing things like that. So I definitely had several experiences off camera with

women. I find for me personally I need to have

more of a emotional bond with a woman to have sex with them

than a man. A man I can look at and be like, “You’re hot. Let’s fuck.” And like I don’t really care and can have amazing

sex. For a woman, it makes me more nervous. And I need to like really be comfortable with them.

But sexually, are you more dominant than submissive then? Um

I would say sexually I tend to lean, it depends on

the role that I’m taking on during sex, even privately off camera. Like if I’m topping a man, I’m naturally lean more

dominant. If I’m bottoming and getting penetrated, I’m more submissive. When it comes to women, it was kind of like

I’m not very dominant. It’s just kind of like feeling the energy and like flowing

with it. I don’t think either one of us took on a dominant role. It was more just like sensation and like personal

pleasure is I guess a good way to like frame that. And sexually, are you

freakier on camera or freakier off? Oh, um,

I would probably say off camera. I’ve had freakier experiences.

Um, on camera, I’ve definitely done a lot. Um, but I like to like keep some stuff

just like for myself and just keep it little like Yeah.

A a good saying too. We touched on it earlier, but very quickly. Mhm. Is it good sex or good performance to

you? Um, I think it

I would say good sex for me personally, like when I film something and it’s good sex and like you said, the energy is good. I walk away feeling really good. I

think it also kind of depends on the situation and like what the goal of

it is. I think sometimes like a really good performance, the energy in sex can still be enjoyable, but it’s not

um I don’t know. I I that’s a hard one cuz

sometimes you do turn it on a little bit, you know, and and amp it up. But I for me personally, I would say good sex. Yeah.

And you’re from Florida originally or you living there now? Living I’ve lived here for six years.

I’m from upstate New York originally. And grade school growing up, did you go to a public school or private school?

Public. Favorite subject? Oh gosh. I always liked

probably like art and English. And at that point in your life, did you have any idea what you wanted to be when

you grew up? No. I literally like I would every

little kid is like a vet or a president or scientist. I always was

just kind of like unsure. I always said I wanted to do something in front of the camera and I always I guess thought I

was going to be something of an actor or a performer was always something that I was like interested in. I was the

someone putting on little shows for their family and stuff like that. Yeah. In high school were you popular? Were

you a loner, a geek? a nerd. Um, that kind of varied cuz before I

transitioned, I was more so I guess you could say like the token gay kid. And so

I had a lot of friends and a lot of female friends and and that was really

I think that was fun. But then as I transitioned my senior year of high school, it it kind of pushed the

envelope too much for them and it was too too atypical. was too like far from the

norm that I think it made a lot of people uncomfortable. So then I kind of more so

had a much smaller group of people that I was friends with. Yeah. But had you thought about transitioning

for a while at that point in your life or did something happen? Yeah. Um,

I had talked about transitioning at different points in my life from

probably like I could I mean it’s young as like

four probably. Um, but never my mom didn’t really understand but was always

supportive. I was always playing with female toys, always dressing up like princesses and stuff when I was young.

Um, but at that point I

was a senior in high school. Everyone was figuring out what they were doing with their lives, college, work, whatever. And I was so

uncomfortable with who I was. I was like, I can’t decide what I want to do for my life if I’m not who I’m meant to

be. So, I need to like focus on transitioning now and then the other stuff will kind of follow.

So yeah, it was that was kind of like the pivotal point because the thought of

leaving high school and going into adulthood still being a boy was like not an

option. And prior to transitioning, had you been bullied all in grade school or high

school? Yeah, for sure. I mean, when you’re really,

you know, in your adolescence and you’re kind of like a flamboyant gay kid, people don’t understand. Also it was a

different time then even though it wasn’t that long ago. I feel like socially it’s a lot different. Um but

yeah, people definitely gave me a hard time and I admire you for having the guts to

transition. Thank you. Takes a lot of balls, no pun intended, but yeah.

When you transition, was the transition for you harder mentally or physically?

Um, I would say mentally just because it it’s it’s really

changing your whole life. Yes. You’re like leaning into what always felt

natural, but mentally you have to wrap your head around being perceived and the

way that you’re treated in society, in your day-to-day life. So you go through this period of being a man and how men

are treated day-to-day whether you’re homosexual or not and then you know this awkward phase of leaning into your

femininity and you’re maybe not passable and maybe it’s not as easy to flow

through unnoticed and then you if you continue to surgically transition and

you look more feminine and passible in hormones and stuff then people start treating you as a you know a female. And

so that’s mentally being able to navigate all of that while your family

and your friends. It was it was definitely draining and confusing especially at the age that I was for

sure. And at that point were you out of high school? Cuz I would imagine that would have been brutal in high school. So I started senior year of high school

presenting as a boy and then I ended senior year of high school at senior

ball in a dress. So it was pretty much that whole 10 months was really the

beginning of my transition. So it was difficult and confusing for teachers and

friends and other students but I had a very supportive school system which was a blessing. So

once you transition, do you I don’t want to say leave the

earlier life behind and start a new or or is there like you took pieces of it

like some friends who were cool? Yeah. How does that that work for you? I’m still friends with people from

before I transitioned in my hometown. We still talk here and there. I think

for me a pivotal moment was I started transitioning at 17. I moved to Florida when I was 21. So those earlier years I

was really finding like my footing in my femininity I would say and still really around family and friends from high

school. when I moved here six years ago was kind of where I feel like I had that

separation where I was like the woman I wanted to be and I moved to a new location with all new people and um

started going by Bella at that point and so it was kind of like a long drawn out

experience for me over years but I think it’s very common for people to kind of like cut their life and start something

completely new as soon as they start transitioning And the students in high school, were

the girls more understanding about the transition than the guys or vice versa? 100% the girls. Yeah, it was it was

definitely the females were understanding and more soft about it.

Like no females ever gave me a hard time for transitioning. I would say if anything they just didn’t understand and

kind of kept their distance. Um, but the men,

the the guys were more the ones to like say something, even if

it wasn’t to my face or whatever and say names when you walk by and things like that. Um,

but yeah, I think it just I think it made a lot of people feel uncomfortable because they just didn’t know how to

handle it and they had known me for so many years prior a different way. So,

I’m like understand and you’re young. you don’t get it, you know. I’m sorry to interrupt you. Uh, your

parents, was there a big thing with them when you transferred?

Um, I apologize. No, you’re so good. Um, I knew exactly what I Yeah. Um,

my I lived with my mom and her wife. They got married when I was eight, nine

years old, so they were in a lesbian marriage. And um they were like so

supportive cuz they were very like involved with the community and stuff. So it wasn’t

something it took them an adjustment period obviously but they were supportive. My grandparents

so great. Yeah. Um I would say it took my father a little bit longer to to get

it. But yeah. And prior to transitioning were you very sexually active or did that come after?

I always was like very sexually adventurous and like just

intrigued and uh Yeah, for sure. I think it definitely ramped up

as I was transitioning. Yeah, for sure. And prior you you were just with guys

though, right? You were never with girls. Mhm. I had never been with a girl until I was

20 23. Yeah. So, it was all men prior to that.

And that happened in the business that happened in your personal life. That happened kind of like

simultaneously. Um, it’s actually like a really crazy kind of setup. It was a swinger couple

that I was friends with that also did Only Fans. And they were my first

swinger couple experience with an exartner of mine. So, it was our first experience with another couple. And then

they were doing Only Fans. I was kind of like getting into it. And then we decided to do a collab and

I don’t like do this anymore, but at the time we would go out and drink or drink or do whatever and then film a video,

you know. And so we all went out to the bar. We came back and there was the me,

my partner, that couple and then a girl that they were friends with were all there. and we all started to have sex

and we set up the camera and that was the first time I ever [ __ ] a girl was on camera with a swinger couple that I

was friends with. So, it all kind of like worked together. Yeah. So, it’s like work but also not.

How did you get into swinging? Um, an ex partner of mine. I had always been

interested and tried it in the past with someone that I was seeing. didn’t work out. They were very jealous. So, I kind

of like left it there. Got together with someone. They had been a part of the swinging kind of nudest world and then

they kind of introduced me to it and then it the ball just rolled from there.

Yeah. Swinging for you. Is it the is the turn on you’re having sex with people you

don’t know? Is it turn on your center of attention with a bunch of people watching you have sex? Is it

um definitely the act of

sex and being able to fulfill different fantasies or explorations.

Not necessarily the fact of like with people you don’t

know cuz a lot of them you’d be friends with, you’d hang out with, you knew for a year, you’d go to dinner and parties

with and stuff like that, but still were excited to have sex with them. I think it’s still like that level of being taboo. I think it’s the fluidity that’s

part of it. Um I think there was a lot of aspects. In the beginning, it was just cuz it was so

different that was so fascinating by me. And like I said, I always was like very

sexually explorative and like always very curious sexually. So it was a way I can have a partner and explore all of

this with them and other people. It just all like grew together. Yeah.

And had you had sex with more than one guy at a swinger party? Have I ever?

Yeah, absolutely. Um, the first time I ever got double penetrated was actually at a swinger party off camera. Yeah. And

that was crazy. It was a whole hotel takeover and you know there’s eight people in the room and everyone’s kind

of having sex. They’re taking breaks and then I was like, you know what, I’m feeling it. Let’s do double penetration. And you

know, it was fun. And then yeah, it kind of just depends on the party.

Had you uh been done gang bangs or anything back then? Um

the most I’ve ever done is three guys on me at once. So I guess that’s considered a gang bang I would say. Um

but I don’t know if that was before or after after that because it all kind of happened very fast. So it all kind of

blurs together a little bit. And do you take those experiences then and

purposely put them in only fans? And is it easier if you do adult work because you’ve had the experiences before?

Um, I think that

like some of those experiences were off camera and I’ve obviously had experiences off camera that I would never try to like recreate on camera

just to kind of keep it like for myself. But I think it definitely made it made it easier. Like the first time I got

double penetrated on camera, I was like, “Okay, I’ve done this off camera. It felt good. It felt really sexy. Let’s

recreate this because this is like in my mind I was like so epic. Like let’s do it, you know?” So yeah,

you mentioned you were sexually exploring. What type of stuff niches and stuff were you trying? Were you doing like rough psyches? Were you doing I

don’t know. Yeah, I like dabbled a little bit in like CNC style stuff, like

um what’s the word I’m looking for? Like water sports style stuff. Um more

dominant and submissive, kind of like seeing my limits with that and pushing that.

um like large toys, leaning more into

seeing what it was like with like two partners. Like it was just kind of really exploring that. Yeah. But a lot

of that stuff I still just leave off camera whether I liked it or I didn’t like it. I gave it a try off camera

first. CNC stuff. Was it turn on for you that you’re giving up control?

100%. giving up control, really trusting the person that you’re engaging with and

like Yeah, for sure. Now, do you like [ __ ] or making love?

Both. It depends on the person. Like I’m

in a relationship, it’s like I love making love and really feeling that

connection cuz that you can’t Even if it’s really good sex and it’s

enjoyable, you can’t recreate that super intense connection love feeling

regardless of how I feel like personally involved you are and in the moment you are. Um,

but nothing like trumps some crazy kinky sex. You know what I mean? So it’s so

it’s difficult. I say depend on the partner and rough sex. Do you like having your

hair pulled? Hair pulled as long as I don’t have extensions in. But that does feel good.

I like slapping. I mean, I’ve been I would say one of like getting slapped

in the face, getting spit on in the face, getting, you know, marks left on your ass, hair pulling, choking. Um,

I’ve experienced like one time getting like kind of like affixiated, like

choked and then kind of like passing out a little bit and then coming back to while you’re still [ __ ] So, I’ve experienced a lot of like that sort of

style stuff, but it was always personal. So, you’ve never done any of that on camera?

No. No interest or you’re saving it for later? Um, I think if I did do it, I would want

to do it later. Also, I kind of liked

I think for me just kind of keeping it private just cuz I was exploring and not super comfortable.

Um but yeah, I don’t know. I haven’t

felt the strong desire to share that part yet. U my thing with camera stuff is most

people don’t know how to do it properly. Yeah. And if and if you don’t know how

to put your hand behind a person’s head and do all that, it can get pretty ugly. Totally. Absolutely. And you need to

make things very clear. Make sure everything is known that it’s consensual. Make sure that it doesn’t run into problems later. Make sure that

Yeah. There’s a lot that goes into that. And I’ve also had to literally stop a person and say, “Put your hand in front

of her throat.” Yeah. You push your hand on his throat like you’re being gagged and make

choking sounds. Yeah. It’ll be much more effective than you trying to figure out like

totally weird wasted time basically. Yeah.

At this point, are you happy where your career is? 100%. I think I’m really proud of myself

for where it’s gone. proud of myself for the stability that I’ve built um and and

the experiences that I’ve had and and the amazing people and fans that I’ve like

that have supported me for years like I just wasn’t ever expecting it to be this.

Do you feel you’ve established yourself? I would say

yes, but I would like I would say I’m in like the earlier stages of really being

like an established pillar in adult work. I think only fans

you can have like self-establishment but within the community and award shows and events and things of that and really

being like involved in it definitely takes a different layer of

you know establishment. Will there be an award or movie you seen where you say Bella’s arrived and she’s

here? I think like this awards season is going to be really interesting for me because I’m going to see what I’m

nominated for, see what that whole experience is because I haven’t really had that before. I did last year at the

uh tea awards win transcending model 2025 which is management company that

just has helped produce the gag podcast and do different things and help with

different media for me. But um doing stuff that’s specific to my doll

content. I think we’ll see how I feel at the end of this kind of awards season

for sure. And if you get nominated or or win an award for for sex, would there be a

specific act you’d like to win for? Some people want best BJ. Some people want best A. Some people want

I think if it was I think like being nominated even if I am for trans

newcomer would be really rewarding if I win just as like a whole like I feel

like it’s representing and and giving you recognition for the brand you’ve built the work you’ve done um for a

specific act not necessarily there’s a couple one project in particular that I

would feel really fulfilled if that got recognized for best trans movie or girl

on girl trans scene. Yeah. And sorry, go ahead.

Sorry. What are your social media handles? Um it ts Bella Joey B L A J O I E on

Instagram and then the DBella on Twitter

and then the Gagged Podcast on YouTube. And then I also do have a YouTube channel, kind of inactive, but trying to

get back to it. Um, under Bella Joey. And you you’re an activist for trans

people. What is the most important thing you’d like to get across? You don’t think people maybe don’t understand or

um I would say that not all trans people are the same

is the thing that I would say the most. Just cuz we’re trans doesn’t mean that

we have the same political views, the same social views, the same perception

on sex and life and gender identity. I would say

right now that’s like the biggest thing because we all were people before. Just

cuz we’re trans, we have a similarity and something we can all relate to. But

each person’s transition is different, their experiences, their life. I would say that’s something that we always try

to at least I try to push because for people that are uneducated, they might just think, you know, we all

think the same and that’s just not true. And prior to getting in the business, had you had any preconceived notions

about the adult entertainment industry? This is going to sound

probably that it was easier than it is. Like if I’m being really honest, just

cuz I was unaware, I didn’t really know anybody that was in it. I didn’t know what it took to run a successful only

fans platform and I didn’t know what it took to do studio work. I think you just

learn a lot and I think there’s the idea that it’s little easier than it is for sure.

Well then you kind of already answered the next question but for you what’s the reality of this versus what people think it is?

um that you have to be really committed and

and dedicated to it. Running Only Fans is um a lot of messaging. It’s very time

consuming. There’s a lot of organization that goes with it. As fun and as sexy as it is, there’s a lot of like backend

that it takes. Um and I would say it’s more physically demanding than I think

sometimes people think. So, and that’s just like adult work as a whole.

Regardless of what you do, it can be, you know, a lot on your body.

And we’re in the the fourth quarter of the year. Are there any plans for you for the rest

of the year? Maybe big things for 2026. I think

right now I’m just kind of focusing back in on Only Fans content. And you know,

right now it’s kind of the fall season, so I’m focusing on a lot of holiday style stuff and just having fun with

that. I haven’t even really thought much about 2026. Uh I’m thinking maybe

relocation to Vegas would be great and just really make my life a little bit a

lot easier. So that’s kind of like a big thing and just be more available and accessible for opportunities and people

and all of that. Is there a big um

a lot of people shooting like trans tech material in Florida? No. I mean there are creators that work

with trans people and I feel like I’ve worked with worked with I filmed with whatever a lot

of them there’s a lot more people that are open to or do work with trans people in Vegas

and LA. Studiowise, I haven’t worked with any companies that

are based here. Groovy used to have a Florida location that they don’t have anymore. Um, and yeah, there isn’t any

opportunities for that I’ve had here. And in the past, it seemed like a lot of

the mainstream adult performers, I’m going to stay out of trouble here, were

were picky about shooting with trans performers. Yeah, that seems like that’s softened. I’m

trying to be politically correct here. Uhhuh. Have you seen that? Noticed that?

Yes. I think I think it’s gotten better.

I still think that there’s like a heavy stigma around it for crossover

performers, men and women. I’ve had

both instances, one with an Only Fans creator that now she does mainstream as

well. And we had something set up. We had met prior. I was like, “Let’s film something together. It will be fun.” She

had agreed. And then right before had to cancel and I gave her props cuz she was open and honest. And she told me the

real answer. She didn’t cancel for sickness or something [ __ ] you know, which people do get sick. But she

said, “Look, I talked to a team that’s helping me and they said it’s not a good idea that I film with someone trans

because right now where I’m at, it’s going to pigeon hole me and it’s going to

affect future opportunities.” And I respect everyone’s business and what

they decide to do. There’s, you know, male performers that,

you know, love to have sex with trans women off camera, but would never do it on camera. and

because of the repercussions and it I think that that’s disappointing.

Uh but at the end of the day, you know, all we can do is just continue to show

that it doesn’t affect certain people’s careers and yeah, just try to be present

and and do a good job. So, do you have we’ll call it a hit list. Do

you have a a group of people you’d like to work with? Oh my gosh, there’s a lot of like trans

women that I would love to work with and do different types of scenes with. Um,

there’s I mean, not not totally. No, I think it all just

depends on I’m someone where if I meet someone at an event and conversation is

great and we’re talking great and filming together would be really fun.

Obviously, you see hot people on Twitter all the time, but it’s always more comfortable if you actually have enjoyed

talking. So, yeah. And you mentioned, I think, I hope it’s on your YouTube

channel, but dating and being trans. How difficult is that? Or what what advice you give people?

I think over time it’s gotten better. When I first started transitioning 9, 10

years ago, it was a hurdle for men, I would say. Now, I found that it’s not

always the trans thing, it’s the porn thing. So now I think socially people

are a lot more accepting. I would say just be true to yourself and don’t let and don’t put value in someone

that doesn’t fully see you for you and never be someone’s secret if you want

more. It’s one thing to have a sneaky link that you have sex with in the middle of the night because that’s what you want. But if you don’t desire that

and you want more, don’t accept less just because you feel like you need validation or no one else is going to

love you for more would be mine. But do you think you intimidate men and women

that I do? Yes.

I don’t think so. I don’t think that I intimidate women uh in regard to dating

with men. I think my lifestyle of what I do and

who I am in the life that I live is more intimidating than like me as a person.

And I mean, uh, this will sound like a bad porno, but just go with it. If some, if you’re at a bar, you’re in a bar, I’m

sorry, and you look stunning, and a guy walks up to you and whispers in your ear that he’d like to take you in the

bathroom and do all this stuff to you, would you smack him? Would you do what?

Oh my gosh. It depends on if I’m intoxicated cuz if I’m drunk, I mean, honestly, we might just go do it. But if

I I think it would definitely take me by surprise.

And if I’m attracted to the person, I mean, I definitely have had moments not that direct. You might be in

mid-con conversation or actually talking with someone and done something a little wild like that. But, um, I think it’s

kind of dependent. Honestly, the idea sounds hot. So, I might just go with it.

Do you have game outside of work? I would say if if I want to and I want

to like take that time. Absolutely. Yeah. So, you’re comfortable walking up to a

guy if you think he’s attractive and starting a conversation. I would say it’s more of like a timid

sort of flirting, looking, smiling, eye contact, open body language, and like

allowing a man to come up to me. And then once that is done, really being

able to like be flirtatious, I think I think eye contact and body language and

physical touch is like a I’m much more flirty in that sense than I would be

verbally dominant like that. Well, a person who finds you attractive is is humor a good way to get in your

pants? 100%. Yeah. You’re less like guarded. It’s

fun. It’s lighthearted. It can also be sexy and light-hearted at the same time

depending on the type of like humor and just the energy. Yeah. Of course. From being in this business outside of

work, does sex have to be a big part of the relationship for it to work?

Yes, cuz there needs to be like a really good physical connection. I think especially

with when you experience more, you really just want to make sure that

it’s good sex. But emotional connection,

feeling safe, feeling accepted, like no judgment, full communication, all of

those things are equally as important, if not more, because it’s that is like

fundamentally what’s going to make it successful, especially when it’s an adverse lifestyle like this.

And with this lifestyle, is it possible for you to have a relationship with a civilian?

Yeah, absolutely. I the right person for sure 100%.

I think it is actually I would prefer that.

And if you’ve met somebody and they’ve watched your material or they’re going to watch it, are they expecting porn sex from you or

intimacy? Um, I think it kind of goes back to like

what we had discussed before cuz depending on what you watch of me is

going to depend on how like performative it was um or how glam or how set up and

refined. But I always I could like pull out

tricks and do the most. But it’s always understanding that like this is

just I would say intimacy is definitely how I

would set the tone and then you can pull out tricks and you can do crazy moments

and stuff like that. Um but yeah, love that intimacy.

And going back before you transitioned, have people reached out to you now and

like like you’re you’re so pretty. I can’t believe you know I didn’t see you in high school or something.

Yes, that that has happened. Yeah. From

a guy in high school. I’m sorry to interrupt you. Is that an ego boost for you? Is that a never going

to happen thing for you now? Is that what I would say there is a bit of an ego

boost that comes to it, but also kind of like a not going to happen

type of thing, but it it definitely feels good and validating for sure.

And I’m guessing you go back home now. Is it is it cool, weird, strange? Is it

difficult to I guess maybe get out of this character and go back to being no? I don’t say

nobody, but um I think no because I just try to go into

it and just have the same conversations and interactions that I would before

with friends that I’ve known for a long time. I think

it’s harder for them to understand my life. I just talk about what I’m

experiencing and what’s going on. They can’t relate to it, but they’re supportive. I would say that’s like the

biggest like hurdle type thing. And especially

if I am gone for a period of time and physically things can look different depending on what’s going on. And then

yeah, lifestyle wise it’s definitely different. But I wouldn’t say it’s hard to like hop out of

like character cuz I would say dayto life here in Florida I’m not like in character either.

So and do they have those weird We don’t watch porn but they’re really curious about it and they have a lot of questions.

No, they say that they watch porn and they asked me a lot of questions. It’s uh it’s and I love because we’ve always

been very open. One of my high school friends, she told me a story. She was like, I you know, had my vibrator out.

She was like, I was ready to go have some personal time. I opened up Pornhub. She was like, I was checking out the main page. She’s scrolling. She goes and

she goes, I saw a video of you. It was an only fans video someone had posted on Pornhub that I had collabed with. and it

was you [ __ ] a girl with some guy in there. And she was like, she’s like,

“You really killed the vibe.” She’s like, “I couldn’t I couldn’t finish after seeing one of my best friends, right?”

You know, having sex on camera, which is funny, but always lots of questions. And I know people use handles and stuff

on platforms. Do you think you any of your teachers or anybody’s ever joined your OAF?

Yes, actually shortly after I had quit

um the job I had worked prior to doing adult work full-time, my old boss had

subscribed to my Only Fans within probably two months of me leaving, which

I found interesting. Same same name and whole deal, but didn’t didn’t engage too

much. So, it was interesting. Did you want a custom video? No, no, no, no. I think he was just

seeing what was up. You know, curiosity called the cat. But if people from my past have looked and seen my content, I

at least hope they enjoyed it. You know, I hope it lived up to whatever they had

in their head. Do you have any celebrity crushes? Oh,

honestly, ever since I was really young, I’ve always thought Zack Afron was so hot and I probably because I grew up

with him in media. So, I would say he was definitely one that I’ve always thought was hot from adolescence to now.

So, and if you could shoot a celebrity sex tape with him, what could he do to you?

Probably a lot. I think some of those limitations details. We need details.

Yeah. Um, probably a lot. Yeah.

And what would you do to him? Oh, honestly, it would I would probably

be more submissive than a bottom for sure, just based on his demeanor and the way that he carries himself and that

whole whole deal. And we recently saw you at the pool. Porn crush pool party. I’ll get that

right. Yeah. Was that your first event like that? Have you been to other parties and stuff? I’ve been to a lot of the parties

in the past year and a half. I actually went to the Porn Crush Pool Party last year, so that

was pretty fun. I’ve done uh different media events. I was at the Nomination

stuff for XBiz and AVN. Last year, I did AVN, the TE’s. So I I try to go to to a

lot and it’s it’s really fun socially because a lot of my friends are there and so it’s it’s really is a party and

then a networking opportunity all on one. So and the recent Porn Crush party, it

seemed to me like there was a a big trans presence there. Yeah, a lot of the girls were there.

Is that like more than last year though? Correct. I would say more than last year for

sure. Yeah. Um, we I mean, personally, I really love porn crush parties. OT

Austin is so great. Uh, and

there’s a lot of there’s always kind of like a few trans girls that go, but this year there was there was a lot and it

was a really good time. And this journey you’ve been on in the

adult business, is there any part of it that surprises you, shocks you, amazes you? Like, I did it, I survived it, I I

don’t know. surprises me. I would say at least

within the niche world of the trans category because I don’t know

I, you know, hear stuff from outside of that, but for the trans community, I would say how

like kind of close-knit it is. I would say like everyone really does know

everyone and how uh

I would say that was more shocking to me than anything cuz prior to that I had never really been involved

uh and survived that or like made it through. I think

just as a whole, it’s kind of just a whirlwind in and how things have grown and and how fast and developing through

all of it and just reminding myself to like look back and

like know where it started and continue to always have that in in my head. I think the whole thing is just wild and

not what I expected the trajectory of my life to go. So,

here I am. Anything you want to say to all of your fans?

Thank you so much for supporting me and love you and can’t wait to continue to

do crazy stuff, you know, explicit naked on camera and outside of just sex. So,

I’m going to continue to produce content and grow and have fun with it.